Submitted by Armando on 2010/06/22 13:12
I use it a lot, but only because I need a quick way to see both HTML and properties pane and then hide them, without loosing the focus in the grid.
For some reason, it's the only keyboard shortcut that will insure me that when panes are hidden the focus won't go somewhere strange.
 
But, when properties pane and HTML pane are both opened, one below the other (sticky mode) F11's actions are hard to remember and grasp.
 
1- why does F11 detach the HTML pane and not the properties pane when it has focus (not that it bothers me that much, but I wonder why as it makes its mechanism hard to grasp) ?
 
2- why none of the panes have focus when they appear using F11 ?
 
3- Then... why (follow all the steps closely as they almost all produce something interesting ) :
 
a- when I focus on the detached HTML pane (F12),
b- and press F11 to re-dock it, it looses it's focus, and... nevertheless...
c- pressing F11 again will undock it (normally this happens only when it has focus)
d- and pressing F11 again will hide everything...
e- and pressing F11 yet again will show the HTML pane detached (and the properties pane docked, if it was there previously) ?
 
it's hard to grasp because the behaviour is a bit hard to predict. IMO, it should do one thing and its reverse, that's it. Undock <-> reDock the currently focussed pane.
 
Now, what I'd miss though is a shortcut to show both panes at once, as F11 is currently doing (but shouldn't do IMO)
 
Opinions ?

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[a bit off-topic]
Playing with F11, F4, shift F14, F12, shift F12, I realized that the focus seems to move properly between the grid and panes. Nice.
Will continue using F4 and F12 as I did before and see if I still get focus problems as I did before.
 
BTW : IQ crashed while playing the various shortcut keys. Will see if I can reproduce it
[/a bit off-topic]

MANTIS :
 

Update Issue1018
F11 issues (action is hard to grasp)  Modificationminornew
 2010-07-08 13:40Armando

F11 will be changed to do:
  1. In a panel: Dock / undoock (hence also switching between two sizes, kind of a zoom)
  2. Elsewhere (grid, calendar, etc): hide all panels
 

jan_rifkinson

2010/07/20 09:32

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Pierre, before you implement this, are you saying
in pane, dock/un-dock
in grid, hide all panes
 
If so, isn't calendar a pane?
Isn't it possible this dual use will also be in-consistent &/or a bit confusing?

Armando

2010/07/20 11:50

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[quote=jan_rifkinson]
Pierre, before you implement this, are you saying
in pane, dock/un-dock
in grid, hide all panes
 
If so, isn't calendar a pane?
Isn't it possible this dual use will also be in-consistent &/or a bit confusing?
[/quote]
 
The way I see this is that the effect is consistent across panes. The calendar is actually more of a different type of grid as it occupies the grid space, not the pane space. Personally, I don't see the Calendar as a pane.
 
Thinking about it, what would you want F11 to do when the focus is in the grid or the calendar, if not hiding both panes ?

Tom

2010/07/20 12:08

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> in pane, dock/un-dock
> in grid [AND Calendar (see Pierres post above)], hide all panes
 
is fairly logical I think.
 
I presume, as Armando suggests, that the calendar wont be hidden
 

jan_rifkinson

2010/07/20 12:33

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Well, calendar does appear under the manage grid menu so I guess it's logical. For some reason, I always thought of the calendar as being a pane probably because of the way it acts (like a pane) vs a grid. But, hey, that's just me. No biggie one way or the other.

Pierre_Admin

2010/07/20 13:23

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The IQ UI is currently divided in the following forms:
  • MDI forms (appear as tabs if tab-workspace is enabled, as a window in the Windows menu otherwise)
    • Grid
    • Calendar
    • Pivot table
    • Pivot chart
    • Map view
    • User code (VB script)
    • Ecco Import
  • Panes
    • Properties
    • HTML
    • Form manager
    • Advanced search
    • Notifications
  • All others are regular forms (some modal, some not)
HTH

Armando

2010/07/21 22:14

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[quote=Pierre_Admin]
 
2.  Elsewhere (grid, calendar, etc): hide all panels
 
[/quote]
 
Hi Pierre.
It would be nice if t wasn't only "Hide all panels", but, a bit like the dock/undock principle :
 
"Hide all panels" / "Show all hidden panels"
 
This is a bit what it does right now, which is very convenient. Otherwise one needs to activate one panel at a time. (I described this earlier)

Pierre_Admin

2010/07/22 00:10

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Yes, this is what I meant