Submitted by jan_rifkinson on 2010/08/26 19:19
IMO
copy / paste dialog is now beautiful, clean, clear, understandable
however
user has to know to put cursor on item # column to copy correctly
and
in # column OR item column to paste correctly
 
IMO
inter-grid, i.e. drag / drop item from under TLI-A > TLI-B works well (arrow graphic is clear, etc)
however
1) user has to know to put cursor on dot before item to drag item & it seems like a very small target
2) if user has to drag item past limit of pane, automatic scroll up / down is tricky to hit.  It feels like line is 1 or 2 px high which is too narrow to be user friendly
 
bumped  2010/08/30 19:30
 

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Hi Jan
 
[quote=jan_rifkinson]
user has to know to put cursor on item # column to copy correctly
and
in # column OR item column to paste correctly
[/quote]
 
You don't really have to put the cursor on item # to copy correctly. This is only in the case where you select only one item, to accelerate copying from one cell to another one without having to approve an option in the copy/paste dialog. (Try it, you'll see. And note that ctrl-Shift-C will always show the copy dialog.)
 
However, maybe is this causing problems and maybe should the dialog always popup, whether you select one item or not. But, I personally would like to be able to bypass it as I'd find it annoying when all I want is to copy is one cell's content to another.
 
So... Proposed solution :
 
1- when copying, always show the dialog by default

2- and add a checkbox in the dialog with that description:  "Only show this dialog when pressing ctrl-Shift-C"  (so that users could bypass this dialog when all is wanted is copy selected cell's content.
 
So that means that if the dialog is set to NOT appear :
a- IQ would have to always copy the selected cell's content when fields cells are selected,
b- and IQ would always do the XML copy when the # column  is selected.
 
What to other users think about that solution? I believe it's straightforward and easy to understand... In any case :  the user can always chose to have the dialog appear, either by UNchecking the check box (so that is appears everytime something is copied) or by pressing ctrl-Shift-C.
 
[quote=jan_rifkinson]
inter-grid, i.e. drag / drop item from under TLI-A > TLI-B works well (arrow graphic is clear, etc)
however
1) user has to know to put cursor on dot before item to drag item & it seems like a very small target
2) if user has to drag item past limit of pane, automatic scroll up / down is tricky to hit.  It feels like line is 1 or 2 px high which is too narrow to be user friendly
[/quote]
 
1- not really...You can actually to click anywhere when you see the "editing mouse cursor" but you need to not be in edit mode. Drag and drop items is always possible  . This is just a convention to be learned I guess... How could it be made simpler ? I thought about it but haven't come with anything valuable [And pierre offered several cursor changes at some point but there were some flickering problems etc.]. Any ideas about how to make that simpler ?
 
2- I don't mind it, but maybe true. Any other opinions ? Right now it's more than 1-2 pixels though... at least 5 pixels. Too wide isn't better, so careful about that one.

Tom

2010/08/27 05:51

In reply to by Armando

I think I'm missing something here:
 
Quote:

So... Proposed solution :
 
- when copying, always show the dialog by default

- and add a checkbox in the dialog with that description:  "Only show this dialog when pressing ctrl-c"  (so that users could bypass this dialog when all is wanted is copy selected cell's content.
 
do you mean to always show dialogue by default and include an option  "Don't show this dialog when pressing ctrl-c"     ??
 
No, I think not but I'm not sure what you mean:
you go on to say users "can always chose to always have the dialog appear ... by pressing ctrl-c"
if the dialogue is disabled how will it show ? or how else can one copy (quickly) except via Ctrl+C ? (am I in stupid mode here)
 
================================
 
Re drag-drop:
 
1) I always simply drag the text of the item (when not in edit mode). I'm not sure why it was implemented that you could only drag the text of the item or drag the dot (which I agree is a pia) - I think there must have been a reason to not make the whole (item field) cell draggable?
 
2) dunno, must go test it!
 

Armando

2010/08/27 17:02

In reply to by Tom

Thanks Tom... Yes, my post was terrible, I corrected it. Every time I wrote CTRL-C, I meant CTRL-SHIFT-C.
 
1) The thing is that if you click in other area, you can select multiple items, which is convenient.
Isn't IQ more or less following Explorer's (or even Directory Opus, etc.) conventions here ? The only different thing is that you can multiple select (by (click & drag)everytime you click "in between" fields edit areas.
 
I guess that it could follow completely explorer's conventions : right click & drag to multiple select, OR left click & drag besides the column  on the far right.

Jan :  why tag me as the one who's only technically inclined, who doesn't care much about user friendlyness, is only interrested in esoteric bugs, and tries to convince everybody that IQ does it the right way and they should adapt, use workarounds,  etc.?  Sheesh. I guess that's what's in the deal for anybody who, like me, feel concerned by different aspects of reality (IQ's reality in that case), not just one.
 
[quote=jan_rifkinson from OLE linking and embedding ]
Armando (again this is NOT a criticism) made a long reply that we could do this or that, or we could have this option or that option & that's all ok as it may well add something special to IQ that I can't even imagine.
But for me, that's not the point. For me as everyman it's pretty simple:
 [/quote]

I won't take it "personally" (I am not offended) but what you say IS nevertheless a criticism (whether you're conscious of it or not) and I will choose to spend my time more wisely in the future -- like going outside and eat an icecream with my daughter... For practical purposes, mostly.

1- In the thread you referred too (this thread, I believe), I tried my best to propose a solution that could help you and everybody else. This is because I took the problem you described relatively "seriously" (not too seriously though, don't worry).

2- Some explanations may be too long for your taste -- sorry about that -- but, really, if you take the time to just re-read the proposed solution, you'll see that I'm not trying to convince you that IQ does it the right way and that you should just adapt or even complexity things. Actually,  quite the contrary.
 
E.g. : in that particular case, I'm proposing that Pierre implements a check box so that you an others -- myself included -- can see your copy/paste dialog all the time...
 
I'm surprised that I seem to want to complicate things and convince you that it's all ok... Anyway. Yes in this post I mistyped something, but that's just a human mistake.
 
 
[quote=jan_rifkinson from OLE linking and embedding ]
But for me, that's not the point. For me as everyman it's pretty simple:
 [/quote]
 
You say that for you it's all pretty simple... Maybe, effectively, saying that something doesn't work is a bit simpler then to propose a viable solution (IMO a tad harder). Not saying here that everybody should propose solutions. But it's true that pinpointing a problem is only the first step. Then others need to understand it fully and then propose some solutions.

Isn't it important to be able to discuss matters in the forum, sometime in details? What might seem clearly like a simple problem that should/could be fixed for one person isn't necessarily the case for the other who'll probably have other ways of doing things. Some intermediary solution must be found.
 
An IQ good viable solution, is... a good IQ viable solution.
Is a good viable IQ solution going to be the same as a good viable solution in, for example, Word Pad or even UltraRecall? IMO, it's probably going to be slightly more complex/nuanced as it does many  things for many different people (as we all know).

jan_rifkinson

2010/08/27 19:18

In reply to by Armando

Armando, believe me I'm not tagging you for anything nor being critical and yes eating ice cream with your daughter is more worthwhile.... especially when one needs to cool off. I'll stop using you as an example from now on.

Hi group,
 
I appreciate that there is activity on the forum, this proves that the IQ community is active (and passionate). However, I'd like to concentrate on getting 0.9.25 out and then moving onto the Google / phone calendar sync (which many of us want really bad).
 
I think that you must accept that v0.9.25  will not be perfect and I'll re-examine these issues after v0.9.26
 
Pierre
 

jan_rifkinson

2010/08/31 12:29

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

No problem here. I won't forget it as I've made it an "IQ pending" item in an excellent program I use on a daily basis called InfoQube.