Submitted by jan_rifkinson on 2009/12/23 10:26
I'm not sure I understand the logic behind this command
Sometimes I want to "save as" but I don't necessarily want to open that file I've just saved
Is there no way to separate these two functions?
 
Thanks.
 
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Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield CT USA

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You're talking about the html pane, right ?

jan_rifkinson

2009/12/23 12:19

In reply to by Armando

Nope.
Main Menu > File > Save As
 
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Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield CT USA
HP Blackbird Vista Ultimate SP-2

Isn't the way all Windows apps work?
 
BTW, as soon as I finish my Xmas shopping, pre-rel11 will be out. If fixes some issues with navigating in the Calendar, HTML pane refresh, etc
 

Tom

2009/12/23 14:16

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

[quote=Pierre_Admin]
Isn't the way all Windows apps work?
[/quote]
 
here it works the same as other windows apps.
 
> BTW, as soon as I finish my Xmas shopping, pre-rel11 will be out
I dont seem to have time to keep up with your great advances Pierre

Armando

2009/12/23 14:45

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

>Isn't the way all Windows apps work?
 
I'd say so. And I think it should stay as it is to respect that.
However, because IQ is a BD, the feeld of the DB reloading etc. is different, and that's probably why Jan finds it awkward.
 

Pierre_Admin

2009/12/23 14:56

In reply to by Armando

The other "issue" is that currently, the IQBase is renamed, but not the .files folder. So embedded files are no longer available to the renamed IQBase (unless the user renames it manually).
 
Suggestions?
 

Armando

2009/12/23 15:29

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

[quote=Pierre_Admin]
The other "issue" is that currently, the IQBase is renamed, but not the .files folder. So embedded files are no longer available to the renamed IQBase (unless the user renames it manually).
 
Suggestions?
 
[/quote]
 
Maybe, in the options, a section to edit the default path to  .files folder ? Don't know if that'd be possible though... :)

jan_rifkinson

2009/12/23 16:07

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

The 'loss' of embedded files has definitely been a problem for me because I didn't realize it until after the fact. This becomes most important -- if for instance -- one is using drop box. I guess one has to know enough to save entire IQ folders. In my case, I have the program on drive C:\, the data on E:\  w a backup on F:\ + drop box so you can see it becomes a bit unwieldy.
 
You could ask why I do it this way. The answer is:
c:\ has all programs
d:\has mirror
e:\has all data
f:\= 1T drive where I back everything up
 
back to InfoQube. As I understand it:
htm files are saved within the dB
mht files can be saved within the dB or not in options
 
but I don't know enough to make a suggestion of how one thing is to follow the other.
 
What I'd like to ask here is if  someone could tell me where what is stored. For example:
 
shortcut keys
tabs, options, menu setups etc
and any other files connected w operating IQ without a hitch
 
and any suggestions anyone has for a better / safer organization for IQ + related files
 
Thanks
 
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Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield CT USA
HP Blackbird Vista Ultimate SP-2

Armando

2009/12/23 16:36

In reply to by jan_rifkinson

I thought all Text was saved in the DB, whether the full MHT files are saved inside the DB or not.
Isn't it the case, Pierre ? So as far as text is concerned, it shouldn't have any impact.
 
That said, I never had "lost links problems" between IQ and "embedded files" when renaming a DB. So... not sure exactly what the problem is.
 
What are the steps I'd need to reproduce to have link / embedded files problems ?

jan_rifkinson

2009/12/23 16:52

In reply to by Armando

Armando, you've never had an item w associated HTML data that didn't show up?
 
This has happened to me many times because I moved stuff around, deleted the wrong files, etc.  That's what happened w the IMPORTANT item (I referenced above) that went missing.  It was a long piece I wrote for future use & now that I want to review / update it, it's no where to be found. Not IQ's fault; mine, based on ignorance but could happen to other users unless I / we / they know what files go where, etc.
 
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Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield CT USA
HP Blackbird Vista Ultimate SP-2

Pierre_Admin

2009/12/23 16:57

In reply to by jan_rifkinson

@Jan: Contact me if you need help retrieving/finding this important mht files.
 

Armando

2009/12/23 19:03

In reply to by jan_rifkinson

[quote=jan_rifkinson]
Armando, you've never had an item w associated HTML data that didn't show up?
[/quote]
 
Yes, it happened because of an IQ bug, a while ago, but not because I moved files around -- I generally don't do that and I don't link many external files to IQ (like *.DOC, *.PDF, etc.)
 
[quote=jan_rifkinson]
This has happened to me many times because I moved stuff around, deleted the wrong files, etc.  That's what happened w the IMPORTANT item (I referenced above) that went missing.  It was a long piece I wrote for future use & now that I want to review / update it, it's no where to be found. Not IQ's fault; mine, based on ignorance but could happen to other users unless I / we / they know what files go where, etc.
[/quote]
 
Like I said in another post, it's possible to retrieve your MHT file if you have system backups, etc.
And even if you don't : Normally, IQ's MHT files are not deleted, even when one deletes an item (this is actually problematic I find, but I won't discuss that now...). So unless you went and deleted it yourself, manually, it should still be there.

Pierre_Admin

2009/12/23 16:50

In reply to by jan_rifkinson

The HTML pane can display:
  1. Embedded content
  2. HTML files
  3. MHT files
  4. EML files
  5. Web pages
  6. Other ones that IE can view (Word, Excel, PDF, etc)
Where it is saved?
  1. In the IQBase only
  2. In the file system. specifically in the YourIQBase.files folder by default, unless you do a html>>file>>open and open a file located elsewhere.
    1. If Tools>>Options>>This file>>Data storage>>Save copy of HTML/MHT in the database is checked a copy of the file is also in the database. This is useful if you want to move with you only the IQBase and not the associated .files folder. This feature is most likely on a phasing out process
    2. HTM files are generated manually (i.e. html>>File>>Save As) or as part of the IQ Clipper (FF, IE) when selecting Copy URL content
  3. Same as #2
  4. Same as #2
  5. It is not saved
  6. In the file system
What about the Content text (without formatting):
  1. in the IQBase
  2. in the IQBase
  3. in the IQBase
  4. in the IQBase
  5. it is not saved
  6. it is not saved
Lastly, as for using Dropbox, the simplest and most complete backup solution is to simply put the IQBase and its associated .files folder in your Dropbox folder. That way, every change is uploaded and you have full revision history (and delete protection) that Drobox offers. That's what I do.
 

Armando

2009/12/23 18:53

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

[quote=Pierre_Admin]
What about the Content text (without formatting):
  1. in the IQBase
  2. in the IQBase
  3. in the IQBase
  4. in the IQBase
  5. it is not saved
  6. it is not saved
[/quote]
 
Yes, that's what I meant... So basically it's always possible to search content without the actual files.
 
[quote=Pierre_Admin]
Lastly, as for using Dropbox, the simplest and most complete backup solution is to simply put the IQBase and its associated .files folder in your Dropbox folder. That way, every change is uploaded and you have full revision history (and delete protection) that Drobox offers. That's what I do.
[/quote]
 
What one could do, is also :
 
1- to use DropBox to sync the IQ backups (sent the DropBox folder) so that IQ is backed up consistently, each time a nnew backup overwrites the old one (otherwise IQ needs to be closed for dropbox to make a backup). This was Pierre's idea, which I implemented. I prefer it to the solution mentioned above.
2- SugaSync could be used to backup individual files from the YourIQBase.files folder (since Sugar sync is not limited to one folder only...)