Submitted by mknjlaw on 2010/04/25 01:09
I do not mean to be a pest about this but I really would like to be able to access my bibliographic database from within an outline. Think about it. Who more than a researcher gets more granular with ideas? An outliner is essential for all researchers except for those few who can store, organize, and recall lots of data in their heads. It would be simple enough in a relational database manager like MS Access to create a Publications table and link records therein to records in an Ideas or Issues table. The problem of course is that, as far as I know, MS Access does not implement an outline structure (but see Casemap, which is built on MS Acess and has a rudimentary outline [Issues] table).
 
Sciplore is a mindmapper, compatible with Freemind, that permits a bibliographic reference to be attached to a node. (www.sciplore.org) But unlike mindmanager it does not permit nesting of maps or focusing on nodes. The nodes quickly become too congested to use as a means of drilling down to the last child node. In other words you cannot visually follow your train of thought.
 
I have created a publications grid and an issues grid and have tried to relate records from the former to a issue in the latter, but I cannot make it work. Even if I could, as a researcher I would want to be able to click a button and have the software prepare a bibliography for me which sciplore does. It also searches pdf files and extracts bookmarks from them and imports them as a child nodes to the parent idea node.
 
Mitch Kastner

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Software dealing with Bibliographic references are usually pretty specialized. I used to work with EndNote X and it couldn't do much more than managing references. It did it really well though as it could sync with online libraries DB, etc. and could be linked to word documents and automatically create bibliographies (to be honest though, I almost always had to rework these a bit).
 
Now, back to IQ... you say you created a publication grid and an issue grid and you tried to relate records and issues and... you couldn't make it work. There are at least 3 ways of relating items. Which way did you use -- I remember some of us gave you suggestions a few months ago. Which one did you use ?
 
I'm pretty sure that generating a bibliography from an item selection would be possible, but someone would have to create the HTML templates, etc.
I could certainly do it eventually, but I'm waiting for Pierre's availability so that he can explain to me in details to me how (if possible) to generate complex templates.
 
As for the extraction of bookmarks from a pdf, etc. Well, if it's important, maybe you could officially ask for that feature.
 
IQ already has a lot of features (many more than sciplore for that matter...), but a specific DB made for researchers, which would have some of sciplore's features (and more), and which could even sync with external libray DB would be fantastic. I don't really see all that coming before V.1 though.
Like I said, I might try something in a couple weeks (...if there's enough interest... As I'm not really writing academic papers anymore).
 
Thanks.

gregory

2010/06/04 04:47

In reply to by Armando

Hello Mitch and Armando.

Clearly, no one approach to personal information management can do everything that everybody wants it to do. Therefore it's essential that we use the right tool for the right job. I had initially hoped that the concept mapping ("map view") that Pierre has introduced into InfoQube might mean that it would not be necessary to use a separate concept mapping software. However, it is as always a question of "horses for courses" as we used to say in England where I come from. And in a concept map as introduced by Joseph Novak, the links between items have names. In extended concept maps, both concept and the links may have types. InfoQube cannot know -- and therefore cannot show -- these extended semantics.

As concept mapping software, I am currently using a product from a French Canadian company which is not NeoTech Systems! I am using Mot+ from LICEF, qui est un des centres de recherche de la télé université du Québec à Montréal. The best known concept mapping software is called Cmap, but I prefer the Montréal-based approach (at least for now) because it insists on a greater semantic precision than does Cmap (Mot in Mot+ stands for "modélisation par objets typés", that is, modelling with typed objects). One of the things I really like about Mot+ is that it permits any object, or collection of objects to be grouped together to form the basis for another, linked, usually hierarchical, map. Thus the very well-known advantages of visual mapping of concepts become powerfully generalisable. Nevertheless, the place to do good information management, as I hope we all agree, is InfoQube.

The software I use to manage bibliographies and academic references is called Zotero. For me, its strengths lie in the fact that it is very straightforward to farm references from online sources, in particular Google Scholar; and the ease with which it is possible to export citations in all the various formats called for the academic journals. By contrast, its internal information management handling is poor. Thus it is possible to give keywords to individual references, but there is no hierarchy in the keywords -- you have a large, increasingly unmanageable, list of references. Although it is possible to access the underlying data using SQL, that approach is discouraged in favour of using an API. At some point -- though not in the immediate future -- I will try to integrate that underlying SQL Lite database into InfoQube.

The one thing I still need to make InfoQube work well with the mapping software is a facility to drop a named OLE link or a hyperlink to a specific item in InfoQube into Mot+, which is already OLE-aware. Then my information management architecture would look something like this:

 
 
I have tried to find a way to make a hyperlink (or an OLE link) to a specific item stored in InfoQube, so that that could be dropped into Mot+. However, if there is such a mechanism, I have not found it in the documentation. There is a mantis item 0937 which is I think linked.
 
Any thoughts, anyone?
 
Mark Gregory, Rennes, France - GMT +1/+2; EST +6

Armando

2010/06/04 16:12

In reply to by gregory

Hi Mark,
Happy to see you post again.
I'll think about all that a bit more, but here are some quick thoughts/reactions.
 
[quote=gregory]
[...] However, it is as always a question of "horses for courses" as we used to say in England where I come from. And in a concept map as introduced by Joseph Novak, the links between items have names. In extended concept maps, both concept and the links may have types. InfoQube cannot know -- and therefore cannot show -- these extended semantics.
[/quote]
 
Are you sure that IQ cannot know/show these extended semantics ? I've had discussions with Pierre in the past as I was working on my PhD. and was trying to find the best concept map software -- he seemed to suggest that it would be possible. He was very much into different types of links, naming links, etc. I'm not sure what his position is now.
 
(P.S. : The problem seems more linked to : the quantity of features users want IQ to integrate vs the time it'll take vs the available resources (Pierre's time, collaborator's time, money, etc.))
 
[quote=gregory]
The software I use to manage bibliographies and academic references is called Zotero [...] Although it is possible to access the underlying data using SQL, that approach is discouraged in favour of using an API. At some point -- though not in the immediate future -- I will try to integrate that underlying SQL Lite database into InfoQube.
[/quote]
 
That would be great, of course... :)
 
 
[quote=gregory]
The one thing I still need to make InfoQube work well with the mapping software is a facility to drop a named OLE link or a hyperlink to a specific item in InfoQube into Mot+, which is already OLE-aware.  [...]  I have tried to find a way to make a hyperlink (or an OLE link) to a specific item stored in InfoQube, so that that could be dropped into Mot+. However, if there is such a mechanism, I have not found it in the documentation. There is a mantis item 0937 which is I think linked.
[/quote]
 
I don't think it's Mantis issue, 937... Rather 0212. This is something for Pierre to solve as I don't think there's any simple way to achieve that right now.

gregory

2010/06/05 00:06

In reply to by Armando

Hi Armando.
 
Doh. One of the many reasons for which I am so keen on computerised personal information management is that my memory has become truly awful. I had forgotten even to look in Mantis to see whether this issue is covered by an upcoming development. And it is, and it seems to be scheduled for a fairly imminent release. Not only is item 0212  relevant, but also www.sqlnotes.net/drupal5/index.php, where TomR asks for the same external hyperlinking capability in exactly the same context as I first thought of it, that is, the use of Zotero... and you have yourself recently updated that item. Hopefully Pierre can include this development in the relatively near future. He has indeed got to concentrate on getting a good release one out there as soon as possible. Nevertheless, this development, and JavaScript enablement referred to in my other post, should both be relatively low-cost developments, and should begin to open up InfoQube to a wider audience, including developers and systems integrators.

My architecture diagram is at the moment wrong. The database engine in InfoQube at the present time is the one included in Microsoft Access, not SQL Server.
 
Mark Gregory, Rennes, France - GMT +1/+2; EST +6

Armando

2010/06/05 13:26

In reply to by gregory

Thanks for the feedback. Let's see what's going to happen in the next releases.