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Submitted by Anonymous on 2009/02/18 20:01

When there is individual or multiple word formatting in a field such as <B>InfoCube</B> it looks fine until you get in that field for editing, then it looks like that.

If I have several, here and there, formatted words and tabs you are going to be a little confuse and I like to ask you if this is a permanent behavior

or a Beta issue. I do a lot of text editing and formatting, it is important to me (serial numbers, Surfaces values, equations etc.)

I have never seen this in any outliners or other programs actually. Maybe there is an advantage but I can't figure it out.

Also how do I apply a Color to a word(s) in the middle of a sentence? (hopefully is not the same as above... :-)

Thank you Pierre.

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When the <B>Infocube</B> type of info shows up, hit the F2 key, to toggle to the "regular" view. Else F5 (refresh) will get it out of non-editing mode.)

Embedded Formatting , under in-cell formatting indicates in-cell color is now via html codes for now.

The shift-F2 popup might help a little for these kind of changes.

I simply copy and paste the html codes from an existing item with the color I like. You could make a few items with codes in it.

One other way would be for the complex stuff, to copy paste to a text/html editor for manipulation, then paste back in.

F2...unfortunately this is the problem: Those html codes/? are not something you want to see when you are editing and F2 takes me out of it.

You said that "in-cell color is now via html codes for now".

"For now " do you mean that it will evolve to more standard ways in the future? Is this the case with formatting also as in my original question?

I am really curious as to why this kind of code is used in the grid's fields. It looks like an outliner to me like ECCO or NoteMap but why this code format in there?

I understand each one of us has his own needs and it is not easy to please everyone (I write CAD scripts with a visual tool) but somethings are a kind of matter-of-fact

and it does give you a feeling of not being at home with it or as comfortable as it should be for a Total switch to a new program.

Little pebbles in the shoe ...can't enjoy the walk :-)

Maybe is just Beta or the structure of the whole program.

Sound too picky? I hope not.

Thank you

Hi marco,

The code is html. Nothing more.

This will change in the future as Pierre will move to a WYSIWYG "editor".

In the mean time, the current way is pretty functional. Just ignore the html code while you're editing -- I got used to it and it doesn't really bother me anymore --> the end result is the same as a WYSIWYG editor.

You'll see that InfoQube/SQLNotes is not your ordinary outliner. It's very powerful but somethings are hard to grasp at first. I suggest you have a good look at the documentation (books/manuals), the forum... and don't be afraid to ask more questions ! :)

Thank you.

>>>This will change in the future as Pierre will move to a WYSIWYG "editor". = Great!

Yes is very powerful indeed and not intuitive I should add.

You have no idea how unusual the SOURCE and FILTER is to me. As soon as I think "I got it!" you know...I bite my tongue!

I had in my old laptop a copy of ECCO that I used probably 5 years ago. At that time I was more into Mind Maps ( Tony Buzan etc. and still I am), so I used it for a while, nothing deep.

I can see the similarity between the two and Pierre is creating a Monster. I hope is not going to be another ECCO SAGA.

It seems to me that great stuff in this world has hard time to be understood.

Thank you Armando.

Are you from Italy?

A WYSIWYG editor for the grid is possible, and planned, but not likely for release 1.0. At best the pop-up editor (shift-F2) will be WYSIWYG for release 1.0

However, the IQ outliner is not the right choice if you want a fancy WYSIWYG outlining editor. The IQ outliner is based on a sub-set of HTML. Ecco used RTF.

IQ is more for information management and less for information presentation. Ecco allowed more fancy presentation, but was much less powerful in terms of information management. This is clearly a design choice that was made when this project started, some 5.5 years ago. Many, many aspects of IQ are driven by those design choices and interoperatbility with other apps (such as Word, Excel, Access).

Clearly something out of my league. You must follow your vision. It's good for you AND for us.

I am just not used to an outliner with a side panel. Yes I use MyInfo and other similar products but they can't even come close to SQLNote.

But to have both Traditional Outliner -(Tree) and a Panel (HTML) is mind splitting. Where one ends and the other begins. I see the difference in here but

as far as text containers, the Outliner is more inviting and convenient.

I am still working on it...

Thank you.

> But to have both Traditional Outliner -(Tree) and a Panel (HTML) is mind splitting. Where one ends and the other begins. I see the difference in here but as far as text containers, the Outliner is more inviting and convenient.

Marco,

Note that this particularity this is not only an IQ/SQLNotes feature.

Other information management software use a similar design (Special field for "longer" and formatted content" -- like MindManager, for instance.

If the outliner is more appealing to you, why not use it ? That's what I do, most of the time. Of course, there are some rough edges, like not unlimited undo, and a few things like that. But the other great features compensate (multiple parents, cell coloring, automatic formatting, etc.) ... ;)

BTW, Pierre, if you're reading that : just want to say that using colors in IQ is a very powerful way to organize stuff. I changed the urgency colors (from pale yellow to red, with tones of orange), and now use a bunch of other pastel tints for a bunch of other things (all coded in vb)... Wow, much more efficient than bold and italics... What would be good is if colors could also be grid specific. Is that feasible ?

Absolutely!

This is why I am attracted by SQLNotes. But my point is that because is well balanced in both you can't commit to both, at least for me.

In Helix Express (20+years ago) I used to create some crazy stuff just to have an outliner type thing with nested forms, and some text flexibility but it was hard.

Now I get next to it an HTML panel...for me is...new.

Time will adjust things.

re: grid specific item color

The item default font can be grid specific and the item font can be applied to specific columns (or none) on a per-grid basis, but the item color is not gid specific.

You can choose the field to use for the item color however, so if you want to view / print with a different set (or none), simply change this setting (tools>Options>this database)

Thanks. That's what I thought. But it's okay -- it makes the whole DataBase more homogeneous, which is a generally a good thing.

an idea

IDEA:

to make it more difficult to edit - that you would have to double click in an item or press F2 in order to edit.

Also, that this would be optional behaviour - the other option naturally being current behaviour

Benefits:

often I dont want to go into edit mode when i click on an item - this is normally no problem but with items that have links or a lot of html code it can be a pain to the extent it makes it difficult to read the actual content of the item

When I think about it I probably would like and use this - especially if the behaviour was easily toggled

[quote]Marco: I had in my old laptop a copy of ECCO that I used probably 5 years ago. At that time I was more into Mind Maps ( Tony Buzan etc. and still I am), so I used it for a while, nothing deep.
I can see the similarity between the two and Pierre is creating a Monster. I hope is not going to be another ECCO SAGA.[/quote]

Just curious what you mean by "another ECCO SAGA"? I started using Ecco about 5 years ago (I think shortly after NetManage stopped selling it and made it available for free) and still rely on it totally. Not updated in 10+ years and still in use by many isn't too shabby. Though it hasn't and I doubt ever will have many of the new features that Pierre churns out almost daily :-)

Regards ... Alec

SAGA? To me it means that when an applications gets to be good and at the same time a treat to the Big Guys (it happened to ECCO, music software, CAD etc.)

someone steps in and, either takes it to another level or to the basement, and it has to do with the financial factor....

SQLNotes looks like one of those missing key application that needs to emerge from a tactical market share policy imposed upon us by the few key players. Let me say no more.

I hope everything will go well.

Thanks