Submitted by Armando on 2016/01/22 20:52
Scrolling is very very choppy here, makes it painful to manage list of items when scrolling. (This might be caused by the "scrolling past the last item" bug fix)
 
Anybody else?

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I agree.  I was thinking it had to do with my mouse settings but even when I set the mouse wheel to advance one line at a time, it often jumps 10-15 rows at a time.  When I want to move down just a few rows it instead jumps ahead so far that everything goes out of view and I have to use the scrollbar to get to the right spot.
 
Wayne
Win 7, 64 bit Cyberpower Model 1, C Series (2011) 16 GB RAM
27" Samsung S27A350H, 24" ASUS VW242H  1920x1080

I'll check it, perhaps use katmouse temporarily to see if you can find a setting that works
 
I'm off for a week of cross country skiing in the Laurentians, Qc
 

Armando

2016/01/23 13:48

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

[quote=Pierre_Admin]
I'll check it, perhaps use katmouse temporarily to see if you can find a setting that works
 
I'm off for a week of cross country skiing in the Laurentians, Qc
 
[/quote]
 
Happy Skiing!
(Will go back to previous version in the meantime.)
 
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Disclaimer: "Testing IQ with the most advanced/complicated IQBase in the world". I.e. slower than average.
Windows 8.1
CPU: Intel i5 2.6ghz

Pierre_Admin

2016/01/23 14:04

In reply to by Armando

[quote=Armando]
(Will go back to previous version in the meantime.)
[/quote]
 
My God... it is that bad ? 
I have no such signs on my pc...
 

Armando

2016/01/23 14:26

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

[quote=Pierre_Admin]
[quote=Armando]
(Will go back to previous version in the meantime.)
[/quote]
 
My God... it is that bad ? 
I have no such signs on my pc...
 
[/quote]
 
I never take time to point out stuff just for the sake of it, so yes : bad scrolling is disturbing (that's why I completely dropped firefox for chrome...). It scrolls about 6 items at a time and not in a smooth manner. 
That said, it's not a big deal to use an older version for a week. Apart for the hyperlinks problems they are good versions too!
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Disclaimer: "Testing IQ with the most advanced/complicated IQBase in the world". I.e. slower than average.
Windows 8.1
CPU: Intel i5 2.6ghz

Armando

2016/01/23 13:57

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

[quote=Pierre_Admin]
I'll check it, perhaps use katmouse temporarily to see if you can find a setting that works
 
I'm off for a week of cross country skiing in the Laurentians, Qc
 
[/quote]
 
Katmouse doesn't seem to work at all on my computer. It doesn't do anything, whatever the settings are.
 
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Disclaimer: "Testing IQ with the most advanced/complicated IQBase in the world". I.e. slower than average.
Windows 8.1
CPU: Intel i5 2.6ghz

Version v0.9.26PreRel67a is now online.
  • Improved grid mouse wheel scrolling
  • Option to set the mouse wheel scroll speed (Tools > Options > 1.2.17: Mouse Wheel scroll speed (%)
I'll be back in 1 week !
 

Tom

2016/01/23 16:01

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

Thanks Pierre,
Enjoy your break !!

Armando

2016/01/23 18:25

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

[quote=Pierre_Admin]
Version v0.9.26PreRel67a is now online.
  • Improved grid mouse wheel scrolling
  • Option to set the mouse wheel scroll speed (Tools > Options > 1.2.17: Mouse Wheel scroll speed (%)
I'll be back in 1 week !
 
[/quote]
 
Thanks!
Still choppy here though. Will be fine until you come back.
 
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Disclaimer: "Testing IQ with the most advanced/complicated IQBase in the world". I.e. slower than average.
Windows 8.1
CPU: Intel i5 2.6ghz

Armando

2016/01/25 23:10

In reply to by Armando

Must say that 65 to 68 are approximately 25% faster for autoassigns and equations in the grid -- happened since the properties has been made more responsive and this increase happens even when the pane isn't shown. 
 
So wondering if  the properties pane is still somewhat programmatically accessed in the background, even when hidden? If that "link" could be severed when the pane is hidden, maybe could the performance be improved even more.
 
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Disclaimer: "Testing IQ with the most advanced/complicated IQBase in the world". I.e. slower than average.
Windows 8.1
CPU: Intel i5 2.6ghz

Pierre_Admin

2016/01/26 16:20

In reply to by Armando

[Quote]
Still choppy here though
[/quote]
Which methods of scrolling is choppy ? Scroll bar, page down key, arrow down key, mouse wheel, track pad scroll, etc
 

Armando

2016/01/26 18:10

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

[quote=Pierre_Admin]
[quote]
Still choppy here though
[/quote]
Which methods of scrolling is choppy ? Scroll bar, page down key, arrow down key, mouse wheel, track pad scroll, etc
 
[/quote]
 
 
Touch pad vertical scroll : using one finger on the side of the pad OR using 2 fingers on the pad.
(Isn't Katmouse supposed to affect mouse wheel/touch pad scroll?)
 
 
EDIT : v64's scroll was pretty smooth.
 
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Disclaimer: "Testing IQ with the most advanced/complicated IQBase in the world". I.e. slower than average.
Windows 8.1
CPU: Intel i5 2.6ghz

Tom

2016/01/27 05:29

In reply to by Armando

 
Using mousewheel, I find 67a slightly better than 66.
(Without KatMouse running and without having changed any settings.)
 
 
EDIT// just tried KatMouse again:
it does not have any affect on IQ panes i.e. a grid has to have focus before it will scroll; and I dont see any change in scrolling behaviour using it.
 
Win.7 x64

Pierre_Admin

2016/01/27 17:04

In reply to by Armando

Is the issue with both scroll up and down or just scroll down ?
 

Armando

2016/01/28 13:47

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

[quote=Pierre_Admin]
Is the issue with both scroll up and down or just scroll down ?
 
[/quote]
 
Both, but it's true that up & down speed don't seem to be the same
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Disclaimer: "Testing IQ with the most advanced/complicated IQBase in the world". I.e. slower than average.
Windows 8.1
CPU: Intel i5 2.6ghz

Pierre_Admin

2016/02/02 13:59

In reply to by Armando

I've updated v68a to include a fix to improve touch-pad scrolling
 
(as it turns out, on some PCs, the touch-pad behaves as a mouse wheel, except with very large range of wheel speed. That is, a "real" mouse wheel has a range of 120 to 6000 units approximately. A touch-pad range can go from 2 to 20,000 !)
 

Jon

2016/02/02 18:43

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

Pierre, not sure I understand. You refer to scrolling improvements with a track pad. But my experience with 66 and 67, scrolling with a mouse wheel is as described - "choppy." I went back to 64A and scrolling appears normal. I am staying with 64A for now because of several projects. Have not tried 68A.
 
Jon
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Sony Vaio Z, Intel Core i7, 8 GB RAM, 800 GB SSD
Windows 7 Professional 64 bit

Pierre_Admin

2016/02/02 18:48

In reply to by Jon

Hi Jon,
 
I didn't know you had an issue with a mouse wheel. It is also improved for mouse wheel.
The main problem was with a touchpad...
 

Jon

2016/02/02 20:30

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

 Yes, I didn't contribute to this thread because my issue was addressed in the second post. Maybe I should have said something.
 
Jon
 
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Sony Vaio Z, Intel Core i7, 8 GB RAM, 800 GB SSD
Windows 7 Professional 64 bit

Pierre_Admin

2016/02/02 20:36

In reply to by Jon

OK, try v68a then and report back.
It is silk smooth here, both with the mouse wheel and with the touchpad 
(I set the mouse wheel scroll speed to 100% (Tools > Options > 1.2.17) which moves the grid by exactly 4 lines for every mouse wheel step)

Armando

2016/02/03 01:14

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

For me, the best setting in 68a (v2) seems to be 0%, as explained in the thread about68a
 
[quote=Pierre_Admin in another thread]
[...] disable the IQ specific wheel/touchpad handling by setting the mouse wheel speed to 0%
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Disclaimer: "Testing IQ with the most advanced/complicated IQBase in the world". I.e. slower than average.
Windows 8.1
CPU: Intel i5 2.6ghz

Tom

2016/02/03 03:38

In reply to by Pierre_Admin

[quote=Pierre_Admin]
I didn't know you had an issue with a mouse wheel. It is also improved for mouse wheel.
The main problem was with a touchpad...
[/quote]
I dont scroll much (I have hierarchies and generally collapse items) but did also have problems scrolling with mousewheel lately.
 
Testing 68a,
scrolling seem fine here with mouse-wheel at default value of 100 (in Options 1.2.17).
I wouldnt call it very smooth, but it's not stuttering any more.
 
The vertical scrollbar (on the side) can vary a lot in size which isn't a big deal, but odd. It varies according to the height of the items (I have wordwrap on and occasional items with ~ a paragraph of text).

Armando

2016/02/03 12:10

In reply to by Tom

[quote=Tom]
I wouldnt call it very smooth, but it's not stuttering any more.
 
The vertical scrollbar (on the side) can vary a lot in size which isn't a big deal, but odd. It varies according to the height of the items (I have wordwrap on and occasional items with ~ a paragraph of text).
[/quote]
 
True, not very smooth, but workable. Vertical scrollbar does vary in size - size is probably calculated from the item size and the number of items, instead of using pixels or some other means.
 
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Disclaimer: "Testing IQ with the most advanced/complicated IQBase in the world". I.e. slower than average.
Windows 8.1
CPU: Intel i5 2.6ghz

Pierre_Admin

2016/02/03 12:33

In reply to by Armando

[quote=Armando]
[quote=Tom]
I wouldnt call it very smooth, but it's not stuttering any more.
 
The vertical scrollbar (on the side) can vary a lot in size which isn't a big deal, but odd. It varies according to the height of the items (I have wordwrap on and occasional items with ~ a paragraph of text).
[/quote]
 
True, not very smooth, but workable. Vertical scrollbar does vary in size - size is probably calculated from the item size and the number of items, instead of using pixels or some other means.
[/quote]
 
The varying scroll bar thumb size has been there for a long time. And yes, it is because it is calculated based on the % or items shown in the grid. So the size will vary. This is by design. This is not the case when wordwrap is off of course...
 
In v69, I've further improved the touchpad scroll. Some users will prefer to disable IQ handling of the touchpad (setting the ratio to 0), other not. On my system, the scroll is much better with a ratio of 100% (It is using the Elan Smart-Pad driver for Windows 8)
On PC's, touchpads do seem to be an after thought, behaving "like" a mouse wheel, but not always and heavily driver dependent